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Bruce Goodwin's avatar

A better summation I have yet to read. The usual economy of prose 👍.

I liken those who blame our woes on Brexit to blaming murder on the weapon rather than the person wielding it.

Whilst a rocky transition might be expected, made worse by events, our parliamentarians & bureaucrats must accept they have not made use of the powers reinvested, nay, many have acted in bad faith IMO.

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Rhydian Lloyd-Francis's avatar

Jacob — firstly, it was a pleasure to meet you in Monmouthshire earlier this summer. Secondly, I entirely agree: the Prime Minister has no mandate — nor has he ever had one — to drag us any closer to the European Union. Last week’s poll was clearly skewed by its wording — “remain” rather than “rejoin” — and today’s results only reinforce what we already know: the British people remain firmly pro-sovereignty, and, indeed, pro-Britain.

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Alan's avatar

Heath didn't have a mandate to join in the first place. That is where it went wrong. Some of my relatives had emigrated to New Zealand and there was concern that both New Zealand and Australia would have difficulty finding new markets for their products. When it came to the UK leaving the argument was reversed and some claimed we would not be able to find new markets. Where the EU is concerned truth is a stranger.

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Robert Phillips's avatar

Where British governments are concerned truth is a stranger.Look at the cover up which went on recently regarding the super injunction surrounding the immigration of tens of thousands of immigrants from Afghanistan.It strikes me this has now been effectively swept under the carpet by all and sundry.Still Kate looked beautiful at Wimbledon.

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Layla Mcfadyen's avatar

Yes absolutely

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Ian Watkins's avatar

I would also suggest that the Civil Service is set in a declinist mindset. Until that is changed then politicians of any stripe will struggle to turn things around.

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Layla Mcfadyen's avatar

No way I don’t want to rejoin the EU

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Robert Phillips's avatar

I don't take any notice of polls and never have done.Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster.The con .party well and truly conned us(myself included).Taking back control of our borders,((what a joke),millions for the NHS(still no NHS dentists).As for Northern Ireland being a colony of the E.U I'm sure they're quite happy as they wanted to stay in the E.U anyway.Their young people have access to Europe now unfettered ,we can only go to any one country for just 3 months courtesy of Brexit.

As for the trade deal with America being courtesy of Brexit .That orange clown is likely to tear it in half if he gets it into his head one day.The trade deal with India is lousy where all the Indians coming here (as if we don't have enough already)won't have to pay National insurance for 3:years but they'll be using the NHS.

Let's not forget also the aptly named "Boris Wave " .700,000 legal migrants and their families .I saw two African women with their picanninies strapped to their backs in Midsomer Norton the other day .What contribution is that to this country,I 'd like to know.

There was a 60's song "You're out of time".The con party is and they blew it .They'll never be trusted again.There is a slim chance if they rid themselves of Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke BAD Enoch .If they act now .After all she's yet another failed DEI appointment.Thatcher did this trick when she said about people "fearing they'd be swamped",stole the thunder from the wonderful National Front and then promptly let in 100's of Vietnamese boat people !!Perhaps the Stupid English will fall for it.Anything is possible with perfidious Albion.

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Layla Mcfadyen's avatar

Yes absolutely I agree with you this fake PM is to cosying with the EU as I said in my post today the Germans and the French specially it’s true what I am trying to say to you trust me on this

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Layla Mcfadyen's avatar

Yes you are bang on

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Alan's avatar

I doubt that any sensible reasons about decisions related to the EU can every be produced. Why did we join the EEEC in the first place and why wasn't there a public vote? Even the leave referendum was a mess of confused ideas and accusations of lies. The final vote to leave was in fact a minority of the registered electorate. It was this referendum that made me realise that the idea of majority decisions was completely meaningless.

I believe it was in relation to the USA Constitution when first drawn up, that one of the ideas it was based on was that the USA should keep out of the political affairs of other countries. I believe that is what should apply now and the EU needs to be broken up. We have a problem with border control because the EU does not control its external border. It is easy to build a wall on a land border but we cannot erect a barrier in the Channel.

However, I might have been thinking of the Atlantic Charter signed by Roosevelt and Churchill but torn up by Churchill and Truman. This is the document that should govern the relationship between countries.

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Robert Phillips's avatar

Wasn't it Margaret Thatcher who signed the single European act,if I recall correctly?

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polly's avatar

Sadly watching the decline of this country. We are swamped by crime and decline.

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Robert Phillips's avatar

You're quite right and it's all down to immigration.Import the third world and you become the third world .

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